buttons: ['bold', 'italic', 'lists', 'link'] callbacks: Apologies for what may have been deemed 'a shallow comment' but seriously folks this 'what does the title architect really mean' and 'why can't I call myself an architect because......" sort of discussion is just not productive. I mean I have a degree in architecture, but its not a professonal one (and I want to work awhile and start getting IDP credit before I go back to school to get a pro degree). */ These were stamped by Coast and an “engineering firm with which [it] had subcontracted.”  The court does not specifically say so, but this appears to be the first instance in which plans drafted by Coast were stamped by a licensed professional – and it appears that the stamp is as to engineering aspects of the documents only. Thanks for all of the very valid and thoughtful responses. { link.attr({ type: 'text/css', rel: 'stylesheet', href: '/css/archinect.chrome.win.css?1', }); You can still have an extremely successful architecture career without having the architecture license. $('#' + el).redactor({ Has anybody either been fined or know someone that has been fined? CKEDITOR.replace(el , { That said, I'd be happy to let the incompetent graduates from my school do what I do right now without a license. $("#featured_comments_section #arc_featured_comment_" + data.id + " .Right").remove(); Mike Gideo stands out, it’s for the jaw-dropping penalty recommendation, not for the fact that someone without a license to practice architecture touted himself as an architect or offered architectural services. Since most of the work I do is outside my home state none of this changes once I am registered. var prev = $(point).attr("prev"); top = $('#StickyBanner').offset().top - parseFloat($('#StickyBanner').css('marginTop').replace(/auto/, 0)); I hear news stories about quack doctors less often than I hear about quack architects, but that's because I follow our profession not others. } This, and far too much coffee far too early. else if(status == 'flag') Please be advised that only an architect licensed in the State of California may refer to him/herself using these terms. title: 'Chat Answer', $(image).replaceWith('

'); "chat-question": { You can however work for an architecture office under another's license without holding one yourself. $(window).scroll(function (event) }, function arc_comment_head_actions(suffix) And, there was another person there who had graduated from our school several years before us, when the program was still a 5 yr BArch and they were called a "graduate architect" too, but they were basically a project manager and had all the same responsiblities and a bigger workload then any of the other project managers (since they had to do all their own design and CAD work, as opposed to the older arch who all had CAD techs). pasteBlockTags: ['ul', 'ol', 'li', 'p'], imageUpload: '/redactor/upload', allowedContent: 'p br b i ol ul li strong em center; a[*]{*}(*); img[*]; span[*]{*}(*); iframe[*]', $(this).attr('full_modal_url', 1); $(parent_node).append(''); $("#temp_append").remove(); /* card, or other device that might indicate to the public that he or data: {id: id, arc_token: window.arc_token}, type: 'POST', This is just an example of how we aren't fooling anybody by guarding the title so much. var user_html = $("#arc_comment_" + data.id + ">.Top>.user-title").clone(); { In CA Practice Without License or Holding Self Out as Architect; Misdemeanor (a) It is a misdemeanor, punishable by a fine of not less than one hundred dollars ($100) nor more than five thousand dollars ($5,000), or by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year, or by both that fine and imprisonment, for any person who is not licensed to practice architecture I did not go to school for five years to basically have to call myself a draftsman, and the work I do is more than that while obviously being less than that of a licensed Architect, and I am not doing an internship, so what I am as a professional seems to be ambiguous at the moment. $(point).html(co.unfeature.text).attr("rel", 15).attr("original-title", co.unfeature.title); arc_external('.Thread', 85826); plugins: ['codemirror', 'imagemanager', 'removeformat', 'alignment'], When you’ve met all requirements for your jurisdiction, you can apply for a license to practice architecture in that jurisdiction, and soon be able to advance you career and streamline your ability to practice across borders by earning an NCARB Certificate . }, In rejecting that argument, the court found that Coast’s proposed definition could not be reconciled with the plain text of the statute that provides that the practice of architecture includes “planning” or “designing” the “erection” of “any building.” As explained by the court, “One plans the erection of a building or executes designs for it regardless of whether the plans or designs ever come to fruition.”. }, $("#arc_comment_" + data.id + ">.Top>.Right>.CommentModerate>ul>li>.FeaturingAction").html(co.feature.text).attr("rel", 30).attr("original-title", co.feature.title); suffix = (typeof suffix == "undefined")? { This is getting back into semantics, but in the case of an LPN and an RN, both are able to call themselves nurses. Sorry for my rant earlier today but as I am currently waiting for the results from my final ARE exam just recently a co-worker derided me for not being a "real" architect. pasteInlineTags: ['strong', 'br', 'b', 'em', 'i'], callbacks: indentUnit: 4 var menuheight = $('.MainMenu').height(); if (prev == 'hidden') trace, I encourage you to consider that "creatively done" approach... "Still, NAAB accredits schools, and the graduates of those schools receive a legally professional degree that is the first step in enabling them to practice Architecture. $(reply_container).remove(); $("a.arc_reply_comment").show(); }); Entity function arc_editor_basic(el) linkShowAdvancedTab: false, There are two ways an ex-offender can be denied a license under current state law, according to Brendan Lynch, an employment lawyer at Community Legal Services in Philadelphia. Emilio.....same holds true for Physical Engineer....and what the heck do they call unlicensed Physical Engineers? buttons: ['html', 'format', 'bold', 'italic', 'underline', 'lists', 'link', 'image'], data: { reaction: reaction, comment_id: comment_id, action: action, arc_token: window.arc_token }, assistance in the governmental review process. { resize_dir: 'vertical', }); $.ajax( LB - yes, I have two degrees in architecture. scayt_autoStartup: false, $("#arc_comment_" + data.id + ">.Top>.Right>.CommentModerate>ul>li>.BlockingAction").html(co.block.text).attr("rel", "block").attr("original-title", co.block.title); title: 'Subheading', */ Maybe but it not only lets the public know, it protects them at some minimum level. 's': '')); Enforcement of title is totally meaningless unless the title conveys competence. $(container).find(".BottomReply").hide(); For example, physicians treat people for illnesses and injuries, and if they do not have the proper training, education, and expertise they could cause their patients harm. var reply_container = $(".arc_reply_comment_box").parents(".ReplyComments"); }, Someone mentioned residential work. Or you may have the name of an engineer, not an architect, in your corporate name, and you're asking to practice architecture. CKEDITOR.instances[el].destroy(); Thanks. fyi: in NZ you can call yourself an 'architectural designer' without being registered, but not an 'architect'. { I was enjoying this discussion until that comment showed up. $(document).ready(detectOverlapping); It's only, IMO, a deal at all if you are representing yourself professionally to get business. This article is published in ConstructionRisk.com Report at www.ConstructionRisk.com (Jan 2009). Then you need a licensed professional to sign and stamp your drawings. It keeps me on track and focused. $('#' + el).redactor({ Yes, if they are practicing while not licensed they can get into big trouble, but there is no title police running around to make sure only licensed doctors use that word. var y = $(this).scrollTop(); type: 'POST', Why not use that until you are licensed. $(".arc_comment_" + id).show(); "Well, yes, but technically I'm, uhh...." { In Texas, you would do this through the Texas Board of Architectural Examiners (TBAE). title: 'Chat Answer', title: 'Caption', }, 500); { data: data, $(document).ready(function() Here's a typical casual non-work related conversation... linkShowTargetTab: false, imageUpload: function(image, json) url: '/flag_comment', Methinks this "protectionism" is mostly a state board issue ... not a decision of the profession per se. Also, what could be the most an Architect could do in his/her career without getting a license? 3. var ColCHeight = $('#StickyBannerNew').parent().outerHeight(true); See if your attitude changes. // removePlugins: 'elementspath,scayt,menubutton,contextmenu', "figcaption": { "subheading": { Certainly that's my opinion, but that's how I see it. height: 300, }, and that's great. if (($.client.os == 'Windows') && ($.client.browser == 'Chrome')) { $(document).on('click', '.comment-rating .comment-rate', function(e) $.ajax({ else if (status == '15') return false; //toolbar: [['Bold', 'Italic', 'BulletedList', 'Link', 'Image', 'Youtube', 'Vimeo' ]], "pullquote-right": { { $('').insertBefore(selector); $(image).replaceWith('

'); All Rights Reserved. { var featured_comment_counter = parseInt($("#featured_comment_counter").html()); $.modal.close(); Whatever you do, do not ask an Architect to just stamp the plans for you, as it is illegal for an Architect to “plan stamp” without having reasonable control or review of the drawings that were produced. $.fn.autogrow.resize = function(textarea) According to the court, Coast Drafting and Design provided three proposals with completed drawings, one set which was selected by the builder which then entered into another contract with Coast by which Coast would provide the following services: “1. $("#reply_body_html").autogrow(); Stop wasting energy debating a meaningless issue. M:Space, just be aware that this issue has been discussed here endlessly over the last four years...so some posters are tired of the conversation. { #1 I am a business owner, I will never go through IDP unless it is 'creatively' done, which I'll consider as time goes on. } This bullshit protectionism is part of the reason engineers, contractors, etc. imageUpload: '/redactor/upload', title: 'Quote Centered', //disableObjectResizing: true, It’s a multi-part exam that will test your knowledge and skills in a variety of segments within the practice of architecture. In some states, you do not even need a license to work on architectural projects. type: 'POST', Fine. /* }); }); extra_params = false; callbacks: var top = $('#StickyBanner').offset().top - parseFloat($('#StickyBanner').css('marginTop').replace(/auto/, 0)); function flag_comment(point) Is getting a M. Arch degree a must or requirement to get the license? modal_data = co['unfeature']; It keeps me on track and focused. $(container).find(".ReplyComments").append(''); Registration & Certification Finally, you’ll need to earn a license to practice architecture from a U.S. jurisdiction. { }, $("#comment_moderation #submit_button").val(modal_data.submit); }); What countries don't require licensure for the practice of Architecture? A few states require you to list licensure information. Practicing architecture without a license? return false; $('#arc_comment_'+id).replaceWith(data); All specific to California: forcePasteAsPlainText: true, var modal_data = []; url: $(form).attr('action'), imageUploadFields: extra_params, var form = $(this); The hard part is waiting around getting the experiance someone else decided was adequate, unlike other professions where after graduation they can just take their exam. The whole yin and yang thing, I guess. of woodframe construction not more than two stories and basement in alert(json.message); minHeight: 300, People can build buildings without being an architect, but you can obviously not practice law or medicine without passing the tests. $(".arc_reply_comment_box").remove(); Sorry if that sounds like I am mean or mad, I am just trying to explain thw "what is" from the "what you want it to be". { return false; } elem.src = (document.location.protocol == "https:" ? var lineHeight = parseInt($(textarea).css('line-height'), 10); skin: 'v2', $("#arc_comment_" + data.id).removeClass("HiddenComment"); removePlugins: 'liststyle,tabletools,contextmenu', $(user_html).find(".UserInfo").remove(); function arc_editor_feature_423_admin(el, extra_params) formattingAdd: { }); /* args: ['blockquote', 'class', 'pullquote-center', 'toggle'] $(parent).find('.rating-count[rel=' + key + ']').html(value).show(); $('#' + el).redactor({ disableNativeSpellChecker: false, (In other words, I'm somewhere in between incompetent and licensed). Similarly, in medicine, you are not legally a doctor until you do your intership/residency under the supervision of fully licensed physicians. { // whether that's below the form #2 time, obviously all drawings done will be stamped, but I can get that done for next to nothing. } var referrer = $(this); arc_editor_423( $('.editor').attr('id') ); $(image).replaceWith('

'); var referrer = $(this); var elem = document.createElement('script'); minHeight: 300, So now all the unemployed architects can begin to write dramas about the cruel and exciting relationships that exist between Architects and Designers while providing life changing Architectural Services. }); $(this).prepend(animation_clone); If you don't like those rules then you need to find a way to change them but until that change comes, these are the requirements. */ if(data > '') } Not true Elle, you don't have to have an architecture license to practice architecture. }*/ resize_dir: 'vertical', scrollTop: $('.arc_reply_comment_box').offset().top-200 Or you may have the name of an engineer, not an architect, in your corporate name, and you're asking to practice architecture. function arc_editor_423_admin(el, extra_params) { AIA offers resources to help you pass the ARE. 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